I've always been fascinated with the stories of people's lives. We can learn a lot by listening to them. Dave Isay, the American radio producer, must agree. As founder of the oral history project Story Corps that began with one story booth in Grand Central Station, Isay has recorded the stories of countless people since 2003 because, as he says,"Everyone around you has a story the world needs to hear."
So when I first "met" and became better acquainted with the comedian Vince August, I knew he had a story I wanted you to hear.
I met Vince in a very unusual way. It was at the taping of The Daily Show with Jon Stewart where Vince is the warm-up comedian, the funnyman who comes out before the show to warm up the audience with laughter. How could he know that my biggest fear is public speaking and that I was fervently praying he'd ignore me sitting in the front row? He couldn't (and would it matter?) because he came over to me and pointedly asked:
What do you do for a living?
I write about disability.
Oh, good way to bring the audience down. (Chuckles from the audience)
(Gulp. Heart racing.) But I also write about ability.
Oh, okay. Let's give this young lady a big round of applause.
Phew. I dodged a bullet. And began learning about his humanity.
Through the brilliance of Facebook Vince August (his real name is Vince A. Sicari) and I became friends.
I soon learned that Vince is a Renaissance man. Not only is he the warm-up comedian for The Daily Show, Last Week Tonight with John Oliver and formerly The Colbert Report, he's also a regular at Manhattan's upscale comedy club Caroline's on Broadway.
But wait! His list of accomplishments doesn't end there. After attending Fordham University as an accounting major, he decided to go to law school instead, and while practicing law in New Jersey he was appointed as a municipal judge.
But being a judge and a comedian simultaneously didn't sit well with the New Jersey Supreme Court because he was forced to choose between the two when they handed down a decision that said his "..acting and comedy career were incompatible with the Code of Judicial Conduct." That decision made instant headlines. Take a look at this clip from CBS News This Morning:
As Vince said in a 2013 New York Times article, "I’m not surprised by the result, but I’m very disappointed. I take great pride in being a judge, and to give that up is disappointing.” So Vince continued to practice law and his work as a comedian? It got even better.
As Yogi Berra said, "When you come to a fork in the road, take it."
To better acquaint you with Vince I thought I'd ask him a few questions. But before I hand the reins over to him there are two more things I want to mention about why I think he's pretty special.
And now, heeeere's Vince!
Vince, can you tell us a little more about your story?
I knew I wanted to be an actor but my Sicilian immigrant parents never saw that as a viable career choice. I failed the first exam in my life in a business class during senior year in college. I approached the professor, and he gave me an opportunity for extra credit in the form of a mock trial in front of the class. The presentation garnered laughs, serious support and applause. My professor told me, "If you don't go to law school you are making the biggest mistake of your life. Next thing I know I'm in law school. That mock trial was nothing more than me being an actor.
Did you always want to be a comedian?
I wanted to be a comedian since childhood. The only reward I ever wanted for good grades was being allowed to stay up and watch Johnny Carson. Then HBO came along with comedy specials and I knew I wanted to do that! I loved Richard Pryor without a doubt. There was Eddie Murphy in his "Delirious" special, Sam Kinison cracked me up. I love Hollywood, and I've memorized movies. I would impersonate actors' voices and mannerisms.
I took a class in comedy to give me tips and fine tune. I also saw the "graduation show" would be at Caroline's. The instructor tried to change my whole set. He requested a written set before our show but I gave him a dummy one I watched everyone bomb, until me. I did well enough to have someone book me at another club, then another and then another. It took about 12 years but eventually I got asked back to Caroline's where I am now a regular.
How did you arrive at the difficult decision between being a judge or a comedian?
I sacrificed way too much to back away at that moment. I walked away from six figure salaries to struggle as a solo practicing attorney so I could audition, travel, do TV sports, etc. At that point I estimate having left seven figures worth of earning behind to chase this dream. How could I quit now?
I had been approached by a production company in LA about a TV show. I was doing warm-up as a backup on The Daily Show, and many considered me one of the best improv comics in New York City. If I was delusional and nothing was happening in entertainment, this would be a non-story. I would still a judge.
What type of law do you practice?
I have a solo practice in River Edge where I do criminal defense, divorce, personal injury, contract litigation, real estate closings and simple wills. It's stressful and the work is tedious. Clients don't always pay and I have to chase money that I've earned. We all do.
Attorneys have tremendous egos and think we have to be adversaries. I think it's ridiculous! We are problem solvers and should be working to help people find solutions and common ground, not war and profit from one another.
I agree with you there, Vince. I'm surrounded by lawyers in my family, including my husband. They are all gentlemen lawyers and I dislike when all attorneys are negatively characterized. There are good ones and bad ones. You are so right about the ridiculous need to be adversarial.
You can read more about Vince and the New Jersey Court's decision in this article from Playboy.
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What an interesting guy. Multi-talented, for sure. And how cool is it that you have become friends with him? I guess you have Jon Stewart to thank. Love this story, Cathy!
Fascinating! And what a way to meet. (You're fascinating too, Cathy!) I wish the guy much success.
I remember hearing Vince's story on talk radio here in Philadelphia. I remember thinking what a fascinating guy he must be to be a judge, attorney and a comedian.
Another fabulous interview!
What a mensch! Thanks for sharing his story; the world needs for folks like him.
What a fascinating person! Thanks so much for sharing. I'm always inspired by people who are brave and keep on even after life throws them a curveball.
What a great interview Cathy! He sounds like an amazing comedian.
What a fascinating guy. Hooray for him for choosing to follow his passion.
I found this piece interesting on so many levels. He's definitely one of a kind.
What a great guy! I like him already.
Vince sounds like an all round great guy!
Also, you handled yourself great with the awkward moment in The Daily Show audience. 🙂
Great story and great interview. Funny how you just can't assume that someone is just this or that depending upon what they are doing now. I was a social worker who worked with the mentally ill, now I'm a style blogger. Go figure. Thanks.
Anita
Great story. Great interview. In another life I was an agent for comedians and set up comedy nights in clubs. My son did comedy on the college circuit for several years. It's not a great life for a family, so he gave it up for love. I know how hard these folks work, and Vince seems to work 3 times as hard! But, what a wonderful thing to do what you love.
Thanks for sharing!
b
It's always nice to chase your dream and actually catch it! He is very funny too. First time I'm hearing of him. I would go see him for sure. Plus, he love animals...how much more can you ask for?!
As you know I love to laugh. Thanks so much for introducing me to a new comedian.
What a great story and a fascinating guy! Love learning more about him and love that you became friends!
Awesome interview, Cathy. Vince is a good man, doing good things. Let's all be that.
He's fascinating. But I want to know what it was like being in the audience for the Jon Stewart show.
I keep telling myself he's just a nice Jewish boy from Jersey, who is married to a chicksa and lives downtown, but I do so confuse him with G-d